# Hardware notes What this stack assumes about your hardware. True regardless of which model or engine you're running. --- ## Required - **NVIDIA RTX 3090 (24 GB, Ampere SM 8.6)** — 1 or 2 cards. - **PCIe Gen 4 slot** — Gen 3 works but allreduce on dual-card is slower (mild impact on multi-tenant; minimal impact on single-stream). - **NVIDIA driver 580.x or newer** — for CUDA 13 runtime in vLLM nightly. `nvidia-smi` to check. Older drivers won't load CUDA 13 kernels. - ⚠️ **The ik-llama `cu13` pin needs CUDA ≥ 13.2 specifically** (not just 580.x). Its digest is a CUDA 13.2 runtime, so a driver whose *supported* CUDA < 13.2 — e.g. 580.159 = CUDA 13.0 — forward-compat-fails on GeForce (error 804) → CPU fallback → crash loop ([#633](../../../noonghunna/club-3090/issues/633)). The launcher **auto-selects the cu12 sibling build** (same build, backward-compatible) on such drivers; override with `IK_LLAMA_IMAGE=…:cu12-server-4574` in `.env`. Check your ceiling top-right in `nvidia-smi`. - **Linux** (Ubuntu 22.04+ tested). vLLM is Linux + CUDA only. llama.cpp works on macOS / Windows but our recipes assume Linux paths. - **Docker + NVIDIA Container Toolkit** for vLLM. llama.cpp doesn't need Docker. --- ## Other Ampere/Ada cards The recipes are written against 3090 specifically but should work on: | Card | VRAM | Compute capability | Notes | |---|---|---|---| | RTX 3090 | 24 GB | sm_86 | **Tested. Default target.** | | RTX 3090 Ti | 24 GB | sm_86 | Should work; same VRAM, slightly higher TPS expected | | **2× RTX 3080 modded 20 GB** | 20 GB / card (40 GB combined) | sm_86 | **Tested 2026-05-02 by [@troymroberts](https://github.com/troymroberts) ([#25](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/discussions/25#discussioncomment-16787782))** at 200W/card power limit. `dual.yml` (TQ k8v4 KV + MTP K=3) boots at full 262K target with `gpu-memory-utilization=0.82` (down from shipped 0.95 — see note below). Available KV pool 5.2 GB/card, max concurrency 1.43×. verify-full 10/10 pass; bench 49 TPS wall single-stream, 210 TPS aggregate at n=8. First published SM86 / 40 GB combined data point outside the 3090 family. | | RTX 4090 | 24 GB | sm_89 | Should work; ~30% faster decode (newer SMs); same memory characteristics | | RTX 5090 | 32 GB | sm_120 | Untested; more VRAM relaxes the prefill cliffs but kernel paths might differ | | RTX A5000 | 24 GB | sm_86 | **Sander's PROD class** for [genesis-vllm-patches](https://github.com/Sandermage/genesis-vllm-patches). Identical SM and VRAM to 3090; should run identically. | | RTX A6000 | 48 GB | sm_86 | Should work; double VRAM lets you skip the cliff workarounds (use Sandermage's reference defaults) | | H100 SXM | 80 GB | sm_90 | Different beast; flash-attn 3 paths available; not what these recipes target | > See [DTYPE_MATRIX.md](DTYPE_MATRIX.md) for the per-arch hardware-accelerator matrix — which dtypes (BF16, FP8, NVFP4, INT4) and quant schemes (AutoRound, AWQ, GPTQ, FP8 weights, SmoothQuant, NVFP4) run on which GPU classes natively vs in software. Useful when targeting a non-3090 rig. **Won't work:** anything with <20 GB VRAM (3060, 3070, stock 3080, 3080 Ti). The 27B model in INT4 is ~18 GB — KV pool + activations push past 24 GB on smaller cards even with aggressive quantization. **Modded 20 GB 3080s do work** (see row above) — the mod gives them enough headroom for the 27B + TQ K8V4 KV path on TP=2, with `mem-util=0.82` to absorb cudagraph profiling overhead. ### Mismatched / heterogeneous GPUs `scripts/switch.sh` reads hardware metadata from the vLLM compose headers before starting Docker. The preflight checks required GPU count, per-GPU VRAM, tensor parallel size, and any hard SM floor. For TP=1 vLLM composes, `switch.sh` auto-selects the largest eligible GPU and exports it through `NVIDIA_VISIBLE_DEVICES`. On a mixed 16 GB + 24 GB rig, `bash scripts/switch.sh vllm/default` should pick the 24 GB card instead of trying to boot on GPU 0 blindly. Overrides: ```bash CLUB3090_GPU=1 bash scripts/switch.sh vllm/default NVIDIA_VISIBLE_DEVICES=2,3 bash scripts/switch.sh vllm/dual bash scripts/switch.sh --force vllm/gemma-mtp-tp1 ``` Use `--force` only when you are intentionally testing an unsupported combo. Example: `vllm/gemma-mtp-tp1` is now preflight-blocked on a 24 GB 3090 because the compose is preserved for 32 GB / newer-SM single-card rigs. ### Note for sub-24 GB cards On 20 GB cards (modded 3080) the cudagraph-profiling overhead is a meaningful slice of available VRAM. Drop `--gpu-memory-utilization` to **0.82** (vs shipped 0.95 for 24 GB). vLLM nightly's `gpu_worker.py` reports the equivalent effective KV size in the boot log; tune to keep activation headroom for the ~15K tool-prefill peak (verify-full check 8). Credit: [@troymroberts](https://github.com/troymroberts). **4090s with attached display — env-override the compose defaults.** Some 4090 rigs land at ~23.5 GB usable VRAM with X server + driver overhead, vs the headless 3090s the composes are calibrated for. Boot may fail with `No available memory for the cache blocks` at default `max-model-len`. Cross-rig data: @laurimyllari's 4090 single-card on `long-text.yml` needed `MAX_MODEL_LEN=90000` (down from 180K default) to fit cleanly ([disc #62](../../../noonghunna/club-3090/discussions/62) / [issue #71](../../../noonghunna/club-3090/issues/71)). **Newer driver shrinks the budget the same way even on a headless 3090:** @sethbrasile's controlled 9-run matrix on a headless 3090 with driver 595.71.05 / CUDA 13.2 capped `long-text.yml` at `MAX_MODEL_LEN=105000` — the newer driver's activation-profile reserve measured ~2.87 GiB vs ~1.5 GiB on the bare-metal reference rig, shrinking the KV pool by the difference ([issue #149](../../../noonghunna/club-3090/issues/149)). On a newer-driver 3090, start at `MAX_MODEL_LEN=105000` rather than the 180K default. Pattern: ```bash MAX_MODEL_LEN=90000 bash scripts/switch.sh vllm/long-text ``` Same `MAX_MODEL_LEN` / `GPU_MEMORY_UTILIZATION` env overrides apply for any setup running vLLM alongside other GPU consumers on the same card. See [SINGLE_CARD.md "Running alongside a desktop"](SINGLE_CARD.md#running-alongside-a-desktop--sub-24-gb-usable-vram) for safe ranges. **`dual-turbo.yml` on 20 GB Ampere — swap TQ3 KV → fp8_e5m2.** The shipped `dual-turbo.yml` uses `--kv-cache-dtype turboquant_3bit_nc` (the technique from [TurboQuant: Online Vector Quantization with Near-optimal Distortion Rate](https://arxiv.org/abs/2504.19874), ICLR 2026 — random rotation + scalar quantizers + 1-bit QJL transform on the residual; the paper claims near-optimal *average* distortion at ~3.5 bits/channel). **That's a perplexity-level claim, not tail-level** — on our exact Qwen3.6-27B / 3090, [Anbeeld's KV-quant benchmarks](https://anbeeld.com/articles/kv-cache-quantization-benchmarks-for-long-context) put `turbo3_tcq` at **~82% 99.9th-percentile KLD tail precision** (visible loss on the worst 0.1% of positions — JSON keys, closing braces, tool calls). So **TQ3 is a context/concurrency trade, not quality-neutral**: good for prose + long-ctx, but prefer `fp8` / `q5_0` KV for code / JSON / agent workloads (see [FAQ — which KV-cache quant](FAQ.md) + [CLIFFS.md](CLIFFS.md)). It's still the right pick on 24 GB / 3090 for **context + concurrency**: smaller KV pool → more concurrency, and the 24 GB budget absorbs the dequant activation cost during the DeltaNet GDN forward. On 20 GB cards the trade flips: TQ3's activation peak (~1 GB/card more pressure than fp8 during the materialized block — see [PerfMamba arxiv 2511.22849](https://arxiv.org/html/2511.22849) for the underlying Mamba-2 block-state-materialization mechanism the GDN forward inherits) exceeds the per-card budget after TP=2 split, and Cliff 2 fires at 90K. **Override to `--kv-cache-dtype fp8_e5m2`** and you get the full 262K context working with verify-stress 7/7 PASS including 91K needles. Validated 2026-05-04 by [@efschu](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/issues/47) on 2× 3080 modded 20 GB at 0.82 mem-util: bench 82.4 narr / 107.9 code TPS, full 257K-token auto-discovery needle PASS at 90% depth. Trade-off: fp8 KV is roomier per cached token but each token's KV state is larger, so concurrency at full ctx drops vs TQ3. Single-stream long-ctx works cleanly. --- ## Arch-aware launcher defaults (#246 Phase 1) The shipped composes carry **Ampere-safe defaults** (fp8_e5m2 KV etc.). Since [#246](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/issues/246) Phase 1, `launch.sh` / `switch.sh` detect your GPU's compute capability and export the better flag for newer silicon so you don't hand-tune: | Detected class | What the launchers do | |---|---| | **ampere** (sm_8.6/8.7) | Nothing — compose defaults apply, byte-for-byte pre-#246 behavior | | **ada** (sm_8.9) / **hopper** (sm_9.x) / **blackwell** (sm_10+) | Export `KV_CACHE_DTYPE=fp8_e4m3` for the **pilot slugs** — a **better-precision** FP8 KV format. NB: it's storage-only (≡e5m2 in speed) on consumer cards; native FP8 *attention* is Hopper/datacenter-only. See [DTYPE_MATRIX](DTYPE_MATRIX.md#having-the-tensor-cores--using-them-the-two-axes-that-decide-real-behavior) | | unknown / heterogeneous mix / no nvidia-smi | Nothing — compose defaults apply | Mechanics and boundaries: - **Pilot slugs only**: `vllm/dual`, `vllm/minimal` — the two Qwen fp8-KV reference configs. Expansion to the rest of the catalog is gated on the cross-rig A/B in #246 (≥15% on either canonical prompt on a volunteer 4090/5090; within CV → the injection framework gets closed out instead). - **The injected value comes from the hardware profiles** (`scripts/lib/profiles/hardware/.yml` → `kv_format_default.balanced`) — one source of truth shared with the pull gates and c3. 3090-class profiles declare `fp8_e5m2` there, which equals the compose default: the Ampere no-op is data, not a code branch. - **Your env wins**: an explicit `KV_CACHE_DTYPE=…` before `launch.sh`/`switch.sh` suppresses the injection entirely. - **Quant-specific KV slugs are never touched** — int8-PTH (compressed-tensors weights *reject* fp8 KV), TurboQuant, and bf16 configs keep their registry KV format. - **Direct `docker compose -f … up` bypasses all of this** and keeps the Ampere-safe compose defaults on any card. - The preflight banner names the detected class: `[preflight] arch: ada (sm_8.9) — arch-aware KV defaults active for pilot slugs (#246)`. - `VLLM_ATTENTION_BACKEND` is plumbed through the same channel but **ships no value** — vLLM's backend auto-detect is the default until someone measures a better per-arch choice. - **`nvfp4` KV is DATACENTER-Blackwell-only** (sm_100/sm_103). It needs vLLM's trtllm-gen FP4 FMHA, which has no consumer-Blackwell (sm_120/121) build — so it **crashes on RTX 5090s** even though they run NVFP4 *weights* fine ([vLLM #43562](https://github.com/vllm-project/vllm/issues/43562) / [TRT-LLM #10241](https://github.com/NVIDIA/TensorRT-LLM/issues/10241); confirmed on two 5090s, disc #571). On consumer Blackwell use **fp8_e4m3** KV — the launchers inject it automatically for the pilot slugs. --- ## Pinning specific GPUs on multi-GPU rigs (and CDI / NixOS runtimes) `bash scripts/launch.sh --gpus 1,2` pins the model to host GPUs 1+2 (leaving GPU 0 free for e.g. a desktop session or an image-gen stack). As of [#610] the launcher resolves your indices to **GPU UUIDs** (`nvidia-smi -L`) and exports them as *both* `NVIDIA_VISIBLE_DEVICES` and `CUDA_VISIBLE_DEVICES` — one mechanism that works on **both** container GPU runtimes: | Runtime | How devices reach the container | What pins the cards | |---|---|---| | classic `nvidia` runtime (default Docker + nvidia-container-toolkit) | `NVIDIA_VISIBLE_DEVICES` (the runtime hook) | the UUID exposure itself; the CUDA mask is a no-op that agrees with it | | **CDI** (NixOS `hardware.nvidia-container-toolkit`, `nvidia-ctk cdi`, Podman) | the compose `deploy` block's CDI `device_ids` (typically `nvidia.com/gpu=all`) — **`NVIDIA_VISIBLE_DEVICES` is IGNORED** | the in-container `CUDA_VISIBLE_DEVICES` UUID mask | Why UUIDs and not indices: the classic runtime **renumbers** the exposed set inside the container (host GPUs 1,2 become 0,1), so an index-based inner mask would point at the wrong or a nonexistent card. UUIDs are stable under any exposure order. **CDI rigs (NixOS etc.)** — swap the compose's `deploy` device block for the CDI form and let the CUDA mask do the selection: ```yaml deploy: resources: reservations: devices: - driver: cdi device_ids: - nvidia.com/gpu=all ``` then `bash scripts/launch.sh --gpus 1,2` as normal (the composes pass `CUDA_VISIBLE_DEVICES` through). Manual/no-launcher equivalent: `CUDA_VISIBLE_DEVICES=GPU-xxxx,GPU-yyyy docker compose -f … up -d` with the UUIDs from `nvidia-smi -L` (indices also work under CDI-with-all-exposed, but UUIDs are unambiguous). **Gotchas:** - *In-container renumbering is expected, not a bug*: with 2 of 3 cards pinned, `nvidia-smi` **inside** the container shows them as GPU 0/1 (classic runtime) or shows *all* cards while CUDA uses only the masked pair (CDI). Verify placement with **host** `nvidia-smi` — the utilization lands on the cards you picked. - The single-card GGUF composes (beellama / llama.cpp / ik-llama) select via `device_ids: ["${ESTATE_GPUS:-${CUDA_VISIBLE_DEVICES:-0}}"]` interpolated on the **host** side — they honor the same launcher export on the classic runtime; on CDI, apply the device-block swap above. - Estate (multi-instance) GPU pinning is UUID-pinned the same way (#610 Phase A): each instance's `gpus: [..]` stays index-based in the estate file, and the boot path resolves them to UUIDs — so estates land on the cards they claimed on CDI rigs too. After boot, a **placement assertion** (`docker exec … nvidia-smi --query-compute-apps=gpu_uuid`) confirms the model actually ran on the requested GPUs and prints a loud ⚠ on mismatch — no more silent wrong-card serving. **Multiple models on one host (pods).** Running several models at once, each pinned to its own GPU set + port, is a **pod** workload — managed with `scripts/pod.sh` (CLI) or the c3 cockpit's Operate tab, both over one estate file with the UUID pinning + placement verification described above. Full guide: **[PODS.md](PODS.md)**. [#610]: https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/issues/610 ## NVLink **Not required.** Dual-card composes auto-detect NVLink and configure themselves accordingly. - 3090s have an NVLink connector but a **bridge has to be physically installed**. Most consumer setups don't have one. (Cost: ~$70-150 for a working 3-slot bridge if you wanted to add one.) - **Auto-detection**: each dual compose sources `scripts/detect_nvlink.sh` in its entrypoint at boot. The script checks `nvidia-smi topo -m` and sets the correct NCCL env vars + vLLM flags. - **Override**: set `NVLINK_MODE=force_on|force_off` in your `.env` to bypass auto-detection. - Without NVLink (PCIe), `--disable-custom-all-reduce` is passed to vLLM and `NCCL_P2P_DISABLE=1` is set. With NVLink, custom all-reduce is enabled and NCCL uses the NVLink path. - **If you have NVLink installed and working**, single-stream TPS on dual-card will be ~1.6-1.8× single-card (vs ~1.05× without). Measured NVLink lift is ~10-15% over PCIe on the same rig. See [BENCHMARKS.md](../BENCHMARKS.md) for cross-rig data. - **No NVLink?** You can still enable GPU↔GPU P2P over the PCIe bus on a patched driver for a workload-dependent gain — and learn why `nvidia-smi topo -m` reports `PHB` instead of `PIX` — in [PCIE_P2P.md](PCIE_P2P.md). --- ## Power Production target: **290W (air-cooled) / 330W (water-cooled) per card** is the sweet spot — peak TPS/W efficiency and only ~5-7% TPS loss vs unrestricted stock. Power lever: ```bash sudo nvidia-smi -pm 1 # one-time: enable persistence mode sudo nvidia-smi -pl 290 -i 0 # air-cooled default (per 21-cap 10W-resolution sweep, this rig) sudo nvidia-smi -pl 330 -i 0 # water-cooled default (per @syangsao 3-cap data) sudo nvidia-smi -pl 250 -i 0 # prefill-heavy / RAG workloads — different sweet spot, see below ``` Past the sweet spot: diminishing returns (SM clocks saturate near 1.9 GHz on 3090s); stock TDP is *less* efficient than the sweet-spot cap on Qwen3.6's GDN-attention kernels. **The "230W is the sweet spot" lore is wrong** — it traces back to early thermal-constrained recommendations and 3-cap-resolution data. Dense 10W sweeps show 230W costs ~16% efficiency vs 290W (decode) and ~4% vs 250W (prefill) on this rig. 230W is a *low-power / quiet* cap, not an efficient one. Use it only if your goal is thermal/acoustic, not perf-per-watt. **Sweet spot varies by workload class** — same card, same engine, same model: | Workload | Air-cooled 3090 sweet spot | Notes | |---|---:|---| | Decode-single (chat / IDE agent) | **290W** (0.111 TPS/W) | -7% TPS vs 370W stock for -22% wattage | | Decode-concurrent (multi-stream) | **290W** (0.110 TPS/W) | Same knee as decode-single — concurrency doesn't move it | | Prefill-heavy (RAG / long-context) | **250W** (3.617 TPS/W) | Compute-bound; the 250W cap squeezes the curve harder | Mixed workloads: pick 290W (the prefill cost at 290W is only -5% vs prefill's own 250W sweet spot, while decode at 250W loses -10% vs its 290W sweet spot — 290W is the better compromise). **Caveat — 230W on llama.cpp + GDN models is more aggressive than it looks**: cross-rig data from [@syangsao](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/issues/58#issuecomment-4388766174) (1× water-cooled 3090, llama.cpp + Qwen3.6 Q3_K_XL) shows **230W costs ~34% TPS** vs stock (25 vs 38 TPS) because the chunked_gated_delta_rule kernel is genuinely compute-bound on this model, not memory-bound. On vLLM + AutoRound the same cap costs less (~10-15%) because the kernel mix is GEMM-dominated. **Recommendation**: use 290W (air) / 330W (water) as the default cap on either engine. Drop to 230W only if you're more thermal-constrained than perf-constrained, and expect the larger penalty on llama.cpp. **Cooling caveat**: the 388W stock numbers above are from a water-cooled rig (Alphacool Eiswolf 2 AIO 360mm) — that's what lets the card actually sustain full board power. On **air-cooled 3090s**, thermal throttling typically kicks in at ~80°C and drops effective power to ~310-340W under sustained decode load even with no software cap, so 388W → 330W gap mostly disappears — your "stock" was likely already 330W-equivalent. The 330W cap mainly helps liquid-cooled rigs by keeping the card cooler + quieter at near-zero perf cost; on air-cooled it's a soft no-op that just makes the throttling explicit. For dual-card: combined power at 330W cap each = ~660W under heavy load — verify your PSU has at least 850W single rail. 230W cap each = ~460W combined for thermally-constrained builds. ### Cross-rig power-cap data (anchor points) > **Note on 3090 stock TDP variants** (flagged 2026-05-14 by @Mateleo, [disc #129](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/discussions/129)): rows showing **370W stock / 390W max** for @noonghunna's 3090 are specific to a high-OC SKU (this rig's card). **Reference / Founders Edition 3090s top out at 350W stock**. The efficiency-knee findings (290W decode sweet spot, 250W prefill sweet spot) hold across variants — those are workload-class properties of the SM 8.6 silicon, not card-model dependent. Only the absolute "stock" and "max" power numbers shift with SKU. Run `sudo bash scripts/power-cap-sweep.sh --cooling air|water|aio` on a new rig to add a row. The script auto-detects the running container/model/URL, sweeps a configurable cap range, and emits a paste-ready markdown summary at `/tmp/power-cap-summary.md`. See [`scripts/power-cap-sweep.sh`](../scripts/power-cap-sweep.sh). **Canonical cross-rig anchor command** (production-grade data — what to paste into [disc #86](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/discussions/86) for a real cross-rig efficiency anchor): ```bash sudo bash scripts/power-cap-sweep.sh \ --cooling air|water|aio \ --load-mode decode-single ``` For larger cards where single-stream doesn't saturate compute (5090, RTX PRO 6000), use `decode-concurrent`: ```bash sudo bash scripts/power-cap-sweep.sh \ --cooling air|water|aio \ --load-mode decode-concurrent \ --concurrency auto \ --bench-runs 3 ``` ### Recommended sweep chain — when to run each mode For a single-rig anchor (cross-rig contribution): **one mode is fine** — pick the one that matches your dominant workload class. For full workload-class characterization on **your** rig: **run two modes** (~14 min total). The decode and prefill sweet spots can differ — same hardware, different compute/bandwidth ratio per workload class. We measured 290W decode vs 250W prefill on the same 3090 (40W gap); apnar's 5090 showed 400W for both decode and prefill (workload-independent on Blackwell). You won't know which pattern your rig follows without running both. | If you're optimizing for | Run this mode | Sweep wall (3090) | |---|---|---:| | Chat / IDE-agent / single-stream | `--load-mode decode-single` | ~8 min | | RAG / long-context / batch | `--load-mode prefill-heavy` | ~6 min | | Multi-tenant (3+ concurrent users) | `--load-mode decode-concurrent --concurrency auto` | ~8 min | **Pick a cap that's the min across the modes you care about** — e.g. if you care about both chat AND RAG on a 3090, `min(290W, 250W) = 250W` is the safer pick that stays efficient on either workload class. Costs ~5% TPS on the chat workload but keeps prefill at its sweet spot. **Plateau detection** (since 2026-05-07): the script now auto-detects boost-clock plateaus (3+ adjacent caps with identical draw + TPS within ±1%) and emits a `[plateau detected]` line plus a "Detected boost-clock plateau(s)" section in the summary file. If your rig shows a plateau, the caps inside it are functionally equivalent — pick the **lowest** cap in the plateau range to save power for free TPS. How `decode-single` is timed (the new default since 2026-05-07): - **Time-bounded streaming bench**: 10s narrative + 10s code per cap (configurable via `--target-cap-seconds`). Per-cap wall is constant ~23s regardless of cap or card class. - **Cross-card portable**: a 3090 sweep (190-390W, 21 caps) takes ~8 min; a 5090 sweep (300-600W, 31 caps) ~12 min; a 4090 sweep (230-600W, 38 caps) ~15 min — runtime scales linearly with cap count, not throttle severity. - **Power sampler stability**: the 23s/cap window provides 35-37 sampler readings (0.5s interval) where util>50%, well above the 10s minimum needed for stable median. **Default step-size is 10W.** Don't override unless you know why: - `--step-size 10` (default) → 21-38 caps depending on card class. The right resolution for finding the actual knee. - `--step-size 50` → ~5-6 caps total. Quick smoke / single-rig sanity only — too coarse to pin down the efficiency knee for a cross-rig anchor. | GPU | Cooling | Engine | Model | Cap | Narr TPS | Code TPS | TPS/W | Source | |---|---|---|---|---:|---:|---:|---:|---| | 3090 | water | llama.cpp default | Qwen3.6 27B Q3_K_XL | 230W | 25.15 | 24.86 | 0.109 | [@syangsao #58](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/issues/58#issuecomment-4388766174) | | 3090 | water | llama.cpp default | Qwen3.6 27B Q3_K_XL | **330W** ⭐ | 36.35 | 36.26 | 0.110 | [@syangsao #58](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/issues/58#issuecomment-4388766174) | | 3090 | water | llama.cpp default | Qwen3.6 27B Q3_K_XL | 388W (stock) | 38.23 | 37.97 | 0.098 | [@syangsao #58](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/issues/58#issuecomment-4388766174) | | 3090 | air | llama.cpp default | Qwen3.6 27B Q3_K_XL | **290W** ⭐ | 32.26 | 32.17 | **0.111** | @noonghunna (this rig, 21-cap 10W sweep, time-bounded bench, SM 1380 MHz at sweet spot) | | 3090 | air | vLLM dual + MTP | Qwen3.6 27B AutoRound | **210W** ⭐ | 30.23 | 30.57 | **0.144** | [@eddietheengineer #86](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/discussions/86#discussioncomment-16918020) (vLLM dual MTP, 10-cap sweep 180-250W, knee identical to llama.cpp 290W in absolute draw ratio) | | **3090 Ti** | air | vLLM dual + MTP | Qwen3.6 27B AutoRound | **200W** ⭐ | 30.72 | 31.24 | **0.154** | [@eddietheengineer #86](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/discussions/86#discussioncomment-16918020) — **first 3090 Ti data point on this matrix.** Hits knee at lower cap than 3090 despite higher 480W stock TDP. Sub-knee plateau visible at 100-120W (SM stalls at 225-240 MHz, throttle 100%). | | 3090 | air | llama.cpp default | Qwen3.6 27B Q3_K_XL | 370W (stock) | 34.66 | 34.67 | 0.104 | same — SM locks at 1560 MHz across 340-370W (boost-clock plateau) | | 3090 | air | llama.cpp default | Qwen3.6 27B Q3_K_XL | 390W (max) | 36.26 | 36.06 | 0.093 | same — SM 1680 MHz at 388W draw | | 3090 | air | llama.cpp `decode-concurrent` N=4 | Qwen3.6 27B Q3_K_XL | **290W** ⭐ | 31.74 | 29.98 | **0.110** | @noonghunna (this rig, 21-cap, 4-stream aggregate, 8m wall) | | 3090 | air | llama.cpp `decode-concurrent` N=4 | Qwen3.6 27B Q3_K_XL | 370W (stock) | 34.13 | 32.46 | 0.102 | same | | 3090 | air | llama.cpp `prefill-heavy` (Qwen3.6-27B) | **prefill-heavy** | **250W** ⭐ | 906.79 | (n/a) | **3.633** | @noonghunna (this rig, 21-cap adaptive sweep, ~6m, SM 1350 MHz at sweet spot) | | 3090 | air | llama.cpp `prefill-heavy` (Qwen3.6-27B) | **prefill-heavy** | 370W (stock) | 1051.07 | (n/a) | 3.211 | same — SM locks at 1605-1620 MHz across 330-370W (boost-clock plateau, 327W draw) | | 3090 | air | llama.cpp `prefill-heavy` (Qwen3.6-27B) | **prefill-heavy** | 390W (max) | 1104.81 | (n/a) | 2.898 | same — SM 1710 MHz at 381W draw | | 3090 | air | llama.cpp default | **Qwen3.6 35B-A3B (MoE)** Q4_K_XL | **210W** ⭐ | 114.59 | 113.79 | **0.546** | @noonghunna (MoE shifts decode sweet spot 80W lower vs dense, SM 1290 MHz, no plateau) | | 3090 | air | llama.cpp default | Qwen3.6 35B-A3B (MoE) Q4_K_XL | 370W (stock) | 136.84 | 136.65 | 0.386 | same — SM climbs smoothly 1875→1905 across 340-370W (NO plateau, unlike dense) | | 3090 | air | llama.cpp `prefill-heavy` (35B-A3B MoE) | **prefill-heavy** | **250W** ⭐ | 2461.22 | (n/a) | **9.865** | @noonghunna (MoE prefill knee at SAME 250W as dense — workload-class converges, SM 1380 MHz) | | 3090 | air | llama.cpp `prefill-heavy` (35B-A3B MoE) | **prefill-heavy** | 370W (stock) | 2794.36 | (n/a) | 8.363 | same — SM locks at 1680-1710 MHz across 340-370W (boost-clock plateau detected) | | 4090 | air | llama.cpp `decode-single` | Qwen3.6 27B Q3_K_XL | **260W** ⭐ | 48.26 | 48.16 | 0.186 | [@laurimyllari #62 (38-cap sweep)](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/discussions/62#discussioncomment-16854218) | | 4090 | air | llama.cpp `decode-single` | Qwen3.6 27B Q3_K_XL | 280W | 49.36 | 49.36 | 0.176 | same | | 4090 | air | llama.cpp `decode-single` | Qwen3.6 27B Q3_K_XL | 300W | 50.16 | 50.16 | 0.167 | same | | 4090 | air | llama.cpp `decode-single` | Qwen3.6 27B Q3_K_XL | 400W (firmware plateau) | 51.96 | 51.96 | 0.132 | same — SM locks 2610 MHz / 392W actual; caps 400-600W functionally identical | | 4090 | air | llama.cpp `decode-single` | Qwen3.6 27B Q3_K_XL | 450W (stock) | 51.96 | 51.96 | 0.132 | same — at firmware-plateau, draws 393W not 450W | | 4090 | air | llama.cpp `decode-concurrent` N=4 | Qwen3.6 27B Q3_K_XL | **250W** ⭐ | 41.14 | 40.66 | 0.165 | [@laurimyllari #62 (under-load, c=4)](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/discussions/62#discussioncomment-16854218) — concurrency=4 lower TPS than single-stream on this model, plateau 46 TPS at 400W | | 5090 | air | vLLM default | Qwen3.6 27B AutoRound | **400W** ⭐ | 119.98 | 159.23 | 0.300 | [@apnar #62](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/discussions/62#discussioncomment-16832685) | | 5090 | air | vLLM default | Qwen3.6 27B AutoRound | 575W (near-stock) | 119.38 | 159.94 | 0.277 | [@apnar #62](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/discussions/62#discussioncomment-16832685) | | 5090 | air | vLLM `gemma-mtp` (TP=1) | Gemma 4 31B + MTP | **400W** ⭐ | 571.45 | 700.92 | **1.429** | [@apnar #86](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/discussions/86#discussioncomment-16840610) | | 5090 | air | vLLM `gemma-mtp` (TP=1) | Gemma 4 31B + MTP | 510W (peak narr) | 619.45 | 723.82 | 1.215 | same | | 5090 | air | vLLM `gemma-mtp` (TP=1) | Gemma 4 31B + MTP | 600W (stock) | 600.65 | 756.67 | 1.103 | same | | 5090 | air | vLLM `long-text` (Qwen3.6 27B) | **prefill-heavy** | **400W** ⭐ | 247.33 | (n/a) | **0.618** | [@apnar #86](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/discussions/86#discussioncomment-16844473) | | 5090 | air | vLLM `long-text` (Qwen3.6 27B) | **prefill-heavy** | 600W (stock) | 294.63 | (n/a) | 0.491 | same — **599.98W actual draw, full TDP saturation** | ⭐ = peak TPS/W efficiency on that rig. #### Efficiency curves (10W resolution) For rigs where we have full 10W-resolution sweeps, the curves below show TPS + TPS/W efficiency across the power envelope. These are the cross-rig anchor charts; sources + raw data are linked in each caption. To add your card class, run [`scripts/power-cap-sweep.sh`](../scripts/power-cap-sweep.sh) (canonical command above) and paste the output to [disc #86](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/discussions/86). ![5090 + Gemma 4 + MTP power-cap efficiency curve (apnar)](img/power-cap-5090-gemma4.png) *5090 air-cooled + Gemma 4 31B + MTP, 21-cap sweep at 10W resolution. Yellow callout: 400W sweet spot (1.43 TPS/W). Red-shaded: 530-600W = workload-limited, ~547W max actual draw regardless of cap. Source data: [disc #86](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/discussions/86#discussioncomment-16840610) (@apnar). Source script: [`img/power-cap-5090-gemma4.py`](img/power-cap-5090-gemma4.py).* ![5090 + Qwen3.6 + vLLM prefill-heavy power-cap efficiency curve (apnar)](img/power-cap-5090-qwen36-prefill.png) *5090 air-cooled + Qwen3.6-27B AutoRound INT4 + vLLM long-text compose, 21-cap sweep, **prefill-heavy** workload (~50K-token prompt + max_tokens=10). **At 600W cap, actual draw = 599.98W (99.997% cap-respect)** — proving the decode-bound ~547W ceiling on this card is a memory-bandwidth limit, not a hardware/firmware cap. Prefill is compute-bound and saturates the full 600W TDP cleanly. Source data: [disc #86](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/discussions/86#discussioncomment-16844473) (@apnar). Source script: [`img/power-cap-5090-qwen36-prefill.py`](img/power-cap-5090-qwen36-prefill.py).* **Per-workload-class power ceilings on the 5090 (validated cross-workload by @apnar)**: | Workload class | Bottleneck | Max sustainable draw | Best efficiency cap | |---|---|---:|---:| | **Decode** (chat / generation, decode-concurrent N=4 or N=8) | Memory bandwidth | ~547-551W | 400W (1.43 TPS/W) | | **Prefill** (RAG, long-context, batch) | Compute (matmul) | **~600W (full TDP)** | 400W (0.618 TPS/W) | The cross-workload pattern: **both workload classes have efficiency knee at 400W (67% of stock TDP)**, but prefill needs the full 600W envelope to maximize absolute throughput while decode never uses more than ~550W regardless of cap. **Practical implication**: cap your 5090 at 400W for max efficiency on chat workloads (you lose <5% TPS); for prefill-heavy long-context workloads, leave at stock 600W if you want max throughput, accept ~30% efficiency cost. ![4090 + Qwen3.6-27B + llama.cpp power-cap efficiency curve (laurimyllari)](img/power-cap-4090-qwen36.png) *4090 air-cooled + Qwen3.6-27B Q3_K_XL + llama.cpp default, 38-cap sweep at 10W resolution (230-600W) covering both `decode-single` and `decode-concurrent` (N=4) load modes. Yellow callout: 260W sweet spot (0.186 TPS/W) at 42% below the 4090's 450W stock TDP. Orange-shaded: caps **400-600W are functionally identical** — firmware boost-clock locks at SM 2610 MHz / 393W actual draw / 51.96 TPS regardless of cap. Decode-concurrent N=4 sits below decode-single across the full envelope on this 27B model: at concurrency=4 the 4090 is in *under-load* territory (model + KV fits comfortably, batching window costs more than it saves vs single-stream on Q3_K_XL). Source data: [disc #62](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/discussions/62#discussioncomment-16854218) (@laurimyllari, sweep on `aa99173`). Source script: [`img/power-cap-4090-qwen36.py`](img/power-cap-4090-qwen36.py).* ![3090 + Qwen3.6-27B + llama.cpp power-cap efficiency curve (noonghunna)](img/power-cap-3090-qwen36.png) *3090 air-cooled + Qwen3.6-27B Q3_K_XL + mainline llama.cpp, 21-cap sweep 190-390W via time-bounded streaming bench (10s/direction). **Total wall: ~8m.** Yellow callout: 290W sweet spot (0.111 TPS/W, SM 1380 MHz) at **78% of stock 370W TDP**. Orange-shaded zone 340-370W: firmware **boost-clock plateau** — directly evidenced by the new SM-clock sampling: caps 340/350/360/370W all lock SM at exactly 1560 MHz, draw 334W actual, produce 34.66 TPS. Throttle stays at 100% across the plateau, meaning the firmware *is* power-capping, but the cap it enforces is its own internal voltage/clock setpoint, not the user-set software cap. Plateau escapes at 380W cap → SM jumps to 1635 MHz → draw to 361W → TPS to 35.56. So the "ceiling" at 334W isn't a hardware limit, it's a firmware boost-state lock that releases only at the next cap step. GPU temp peaked at 74°C at 390W cap. Source script: [`img/power-cap-3090-qwen36.py`](img/power-cap-3090-qwen36.py).* ![3090 + Qwen3.6 + llama.cpp prefill-heavy power-cap efficiency curve (noonghunna)](img/power-cap-3090-prefill.png) *3090 air-cooled + Qwen3.6-27B Q3_K_XL + mainline llama.cpp, 21-cap **prefill-heavy** sweep 190-390W via adaptive prompt calibration (probe TPS at 390W → size prompt for 10s prefill at high cap → 11K-token prompt used across all caps). **Total wall: ~6m.** Yellow callout: **250W sweet spot (3.633 prefill TPS/W, SM 1350 MHz)** at **68% of stock TDP** — different sweet spot than decode-single's 290W on the same rig because prefill is more compute-bound and reaches diminishing returns earlier. Boost-clock plateau visible at 330-370W: SM clock locks at 1605-1620 MHz across all five caps with identical 327W draw + 1050 prefill TPS. Plateau escapes at 380W → SM 1665 MHz, draw 355W, TPS 1080. Companion to the decode chart above; together they show **same card has different power-knee for different workload class** — and both workloads share the same firmware boost-clock plateau pattern, just with slightly different clock setpoints.* #### Same hardware, MoE workload — sweet spot shifts 80W lower for decode Running the same sweep on **Qwen3.6-35B-A3B (MoE, 3B active params per token)** on the same 3090 GPU 0 reveals that **model architecture moves the sweet spot meaningfully**: ![3090 + Qwen3.6-35B-A3B (MoE) + llama.cpp decode-single power-cap curve (noonghunna)](img/power-cap-3090-a3b-decode.png) *3090 air-cooled + Qwen3.6-35B-A3B Q4_K_XL + mainline llama.cpp, 21-cap decode-single sweep, time-bounded bench. **Total wall: ~8m.** Yellow callout: **210W sweet spot (0.546 TPS/W, SM 1290 MHz)** at **57% of stock 370W TDP** — that's **80W lower than the dense Qwen3.6-27B sweet spot at 290W** on the same hardware. Purple-shaded zone 340-370W: **NO boost-clock plateau** — SM clock climbs smoothly 1875→1890→1890→1905 across that cap range (vs the dense Qwen which locks at exactly 1560 MHz). Plateau auto-detection correctly flagged dense Qwen but did NOT flag A3B. Source script: [`img/power-cap-3090-a3b-decode.py`](img/power-cap-3090-a3b-decode.py).* ![3090 + Qwen3.6-35B-A3B (MoE) + llama.cpp prefill-heavy power-cap curve (noonghunna)](img/power-cap-3090-a3b-prefill.png) *3090 air-cooled + A3B Q4_K_XL + mainline llama.cpp at -c 65536, 21-cap **prefill-heavy** sweep with adaptive prompt calibration (~31K-token prompt sized for 10s prefill at 390W cap). **Total wall: ~6m.** Yellow callout: **250W sweet spot (9.865 prefill TPS/W, SM 1380 MHz)** — **same cap as dense Qwen3.6-27B prefill** (also 250W). Boost-clock plateau auto-detected at 340-370W: SM 1680-1710 MHz, 334W draw, 2802 TPS. So both dense and MoE share the prefill plateau pattern, just at different SM clock setpoints. Source script: [`img/power-cap-3090-a3b-prefill.py`](img/power-cap-3090-a3b-prefill.py).* **Two findings from this comparison** (same hardware, same engine, same Q4-class quant, only model changes): | Workload | Dense (27B) sweet spot | MoE (A3B) sweet spot | Plateau on dense? | Plateau on MoE? | |---|---:|---:|:---:|:---:| | **Decode-single** | 290W | **210W** (–80W) | ✅ SM 1560 MHz | ❌ no plateau | | **Prefill-heavy** | 250W | **250W** (same) | ✅ SM 1605-1620 | ✅ SM 1680-1710 | 1. **MoE shifts the decode sweet spot 80W lower** because each token only activates 3B of the 35B params — much less per-token compute than dense, so the bandwidth-bound knee fires at lower power. The prefill sweet spot stays at 250W on both because prefill is compute-bound regardless (the full per-layer matmul still happens, MoE routing only affects which experts compute). 2. **Boost-clock plateau is workload-AND-model dependent**: dense decode has it (SM 1560 MHz lock 340-370W), A3B decode does not (SM climbs smoothly). The firmware's choice of operating point responds to the instruction-mix profile, not just to the cap value. Both models exhibit the plateau on prefill (where compute pressure is high), neither model exhibits it for short-prompt decode on smaller compute pressure. **Practical implication**: cap recommendations should be model-class aware. A user running A3B as their primary chat model on 3090 should cap at **210W** (49 W less than dense Qwen's 290W recommendation) and gain the same efficiency win plus a 5°C cooler operating temperature. **Cross-rig pattern**: efficiency knee falls at **~60-85% of stock TDP** across consumer Ampere/Ada — start there for a new card class and zoom in. Ada (4090) is proportionally more aggressive than Ampere (3090) — 4090 cuts 33% of stock TDP for ~7% TPS loss; 3090 cuts 15% of stock for ~5% loss. **MoE-class models lower this further**: A3B sweet spot at 57% of stock TDP for decode (vs 78% for dense on the same card). **5090 compute-saturation note**: @apnar's data shows the 5090 caps at ~430W actual draw on Qwen3.6-27B even when allowed up to 575W — the workload is compute-saturated, not power-saturated. So 400W cap delivers ~equal TPS to 575W. **Confirmed cross-workload on Gemma 4 31B + MTP**: 21-cap sweep at 10W resolution shows actual draw plateaus at ~547W beyond 530W cap (no thermal throttle, GPU temp peaked 66°C — compute / memory bandwidth limit, not thermal). **Same 400W sweet spot** despite ~5× different absolute TPS class. Pattern: the 5090 + consumer-air-cooled platform appears to have a workload-independent ~400W efficiency knee on this rig class. ### Clock-locking on Blackwell — sneaking past the 400W power-cap floor The 5090 has a **400W minimum power cap** — `nvidia-smi -pl 350` (or anything below 400W) is silently rejected on this card. That makes the power-cap-sweep methodology blind to the entire <400W envelope. [@apnar](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/discussions/86#discussioncomment-16845745) ran a creative workaround: instead of setting power caps, **lock GPU SM clock + memory clock pairs** via `nvidia-smi -lgc ` and `nvidia-smi -lmc `. Clock-locking has no minimum-power floor — you can drag the card down to 47W actual draw if you want. The result is a more efficient operating point than any power-cap sweep can find: ![5090 freq-cap (clock-lock) efficiency curve (apnar)](img/freq-cap-5090-gemma4.png) *5090 air-cooled + Gemma-4-31B-AutoRound + vLLM-MTP K=3 + decode-concurrent N=6, 35-point sweep across 5 mem-clock tiers × 7 GPU-clock points each. **Top panel**: TPS climbs nearly linearly with mem clock — at 405 MHz mem (lowest), TPS caps at ~53 regardless of GPU clock; at 14001 MHz mem (max), TPS climbs through 800+ TPS at GPU 3090 MHz. **Bottom panel**: efficiency. Gold star = peak efficiency at 7001 mem / 1635 GPU MHz (2.025 TPS/W, 211W draw, 428 narr TPS) — that's **1.42× more efficient than the 400W power-cap sweet spot** (1.43 TPS/W). Blue star = Pareto point at 14001 mem / 2122 GPU MHz (1.92 TPS/W, 314W draw, 602 narr TPS) — **strictly better than the 400W cap on both axes**: +5% more TPS at -22% less power. Source script: [`img/freq-cap-5090-gemma4.py`](img/freq-cap-5090-gemma4.py). Source data: [disc #86 comment 16845745](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/discussions/86#discussioncomment-16845745).* **Per-workload operating-point recommendations on 5090** (revised based on clock-lock data): | Workload | Recommended config | Mem MHz | GPU MHz | Narr TPS | Actual W | TPS/W | |---|---|---:|---:|---:|---:|---:| | **Pure efficiency target** (chat, IDE-agent, light load) | clock-lock | 7001 | 1635 | 428 | 211W | **2.025** ⭐ | | **Best Pareto (more TPS, less power than 400W cap)** | clock-lock | 14001 | 2122 | 602 | 314W | 1.92 | | Max-efficiency power cap | `nvidia-smi -pl 400` | (max) | (auto) | 571 | 400W | 1.43 | | Stock TDP | `nvidia-smi -pl 600` | (max) | (auto) | 600 | 547W | 1.10 | **How to apply clock-lock** on a 5090: ```bash # Lock both clocks (the order matters — set mem first, then GPU) sudo nvidia-smi -lmc 7001 -i 0 # memory clock to 7001 MHz sudo nvidia-smi -lgc 1635 -i 0 # SM clock to 1635 MHz # Verify the lock held nvidia-smi --query-gpu=clocks.current.sm,clocks.current.memory \ --format=csv,noheader,nounits -i 0 # To revert sudo nvidia-smi -rmc -i 0 # release memory-clock lock sudo nvidia-smi -rgc -i 0 # release graphics-clock lock ``` **Caveats**: - Clock-locking is **not portable to Ampere** — `-lmc` was removed from non-datacenter cards in some driver versions, and the 3090's voltage curve doesn't have the same headroom for sub-power-cap operation - This is an **air-cooled 5090 finding** — water-cooled rigs may have different optimal clock pairs (lower thermals → higher sustained boost-clock-vs-power tradeoff) - The freq-cap methodology hasn't been wrapped into `power-cap-sweep.sh` yet — apnar's data is hand-rolled. If you want to run a similar sweep on your 5090, copy his approach until we ship a `freq-cap-sweep.sh` companion ### Laptop GPUs — EC-managed power (no software power-cap) On laptop-class Ampere/Ada/Blackwell GPUs (RTX 30/40/50-series Laptop variants), `nvidia-smi -pl ` returns `[N/A]` and software power-cap tools cannot enforce a limit. The power envelope is owned by the **embedded controller (EC)** via the platform firmware (a vendor-specific implementation of NVIDIA's Dynamic Boost / OEM platform-power policy), not exposed to the OS: ```text Power: limit=[N/A] (default=95W, max=175W) | current_draw=94W @ load ``` The card reports a max TDP in PCI config but the EC enforces the actual operating point based on platform thermals, AC-vs-battery, cooling fans, and OEM-specific tuning. `nvidia-smi` cannot override the EC. **Confirmed on**: RTX 5090 Laptop (driver 596.36, EC profile 95W) — [@easel #102 follow-up 2026-05-09](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/issues/102#issuecomment-4412264989). **Implications**: - `scripts/power-cap-sweep.sh` detects the limitation and exits gracefully — it cannot characterize laptop GPUs - The matrix entry for laptop rigs in HARDWARE.md should read: *software power-cap: N/A (EC-managed)* - The clock-lock approach (`-lgc` / `-lmc` from the Blackwell desktop section above) is the **only available characterization path** on laptop GPUs — clock-locking does not have the same EC-dependency as the power-cap actuator **Practical guidance for laptop owners**: - Don't try to run our power-cap sweep tools — they'll fail to actuate - Tune via clock-locking instead, but expect the EC to potentially override your clock locks under thermal pressure - For sustained throughput, focus on cooling (laptop cooling pad, undervolt via vendor tools, AC power) rather than software caps - The pre-set EC profiles (Performance / Quiet / Eco modes in vendor tools like NVIDIA App, Lenovo Vantage, ASUS Armoury Crate) are the user-accessible knobs ### Interpreting "draw plateaued below cap" sweeps If your sweep ends with the high-cap rows showing **actual draw < cap by 5-15%** (e.g. 547W actual at 600W cap on a 5090 with `decode-concurrent N=4`), it usually means one of: | Pattern | Likely cause | What to try next | |---|---|---| | Draw plateau at high caps + GPU temp far below ~80°C | **Memory-bandwidth-bound decode** — the workload can't pull more power because HBM/GDDR throughput is the limit, not compute. Typical for decode-only workloads on Blackwell/Ada/Ampere. | `--load-mode prefill-heavy` (compute-bound; tests if compute can use the headroom) OR `--concurrency-stretch 4` (force more streams past plateau-detect's pick) | | Draw plateau + GPU temp ≥ 78°C | **Thermal throttle** kicking in. Software cap not the limit; cooling is. | Improve cooling (better airflow, undervolt, water if available); not a software fix | | Draw plateau across ALL caps (even low ones) + low GPU util | **Workload too small for card** (e.g. 7B model on 5090). Card is idling. | Use a bigger model OR `--concurrency 16+` to load it heavier | | Draw plateau at high caps even with prefill-heavy + N=8+ | **Firmware/voltage cap**. The card has a sustained-power limit below the spec'd TDP regardless of workload. | None — that's the genuine ceiling for this card | **Use `--concurrency-stretch N` to probe headroom**: if your sweep shows draw plateau and you want to know whether more concurrency would push power higher, run: ```bash sudo bash scripts/power-cap-sweep.sh \ --cooling air|water|aio \ --load-mode decode-concurrent \ --concurrency auto \ --concurrency-stretch 4 \ --bench-runs 3 ``` This adds 4 streams past whatever plateau-detect picked. Per-stream TPS will drop; aggregate TPS may dip a few %; actual draw may rise — telling you whether the original plateau was a workload limit (draw stays flat) or a concurrency-contention artifact (draw rises). Default 0 = current behavior (no stretch). **Discussion**: cross-rig power-cap data lives at [disc #86](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/discussions/86). Drop your sweep there. --- ## VRAM ceilings (the cliffs) This is model-specific but the **shapes apply across hybrid-attention models** (Qwen3-Next family, similar architectures): - **Single 3090 (24 GB):** Cliff 1 (~25K-token tool prefills, FFN intermediate buffer) closed across all shipped variants since 2026-04-30 PM. **⚠️ Cliff 2 (~50-60K single prompts, DeltaNet GDN forward) regressed under Genesis v7.72.2** — PN59 streaming-GDN was advertised as the structural fix but doesn't engage on the chunked-prefill code path that 24 GB single-card configs are forced to take (`--max-num-batched-tokens 4128` populates `chunk_indices`/`chunk_offsets` which PN59's eligibility check rejects). `long-text.yml` / `long-text-no-mtp.yml` / `long-vision.yml` may OOM at >50K single-prompt context. Filed at [Sandermage/genesis-vllm-patches#22](https://github.com/Sandermage/genesis-vllm-patches/issues/22), pending Sander review. **Workarounds**: `dual.yml` / `dual-turbo.yml` (TP=2 escapes the cliff), or `llamacpp/default` (different engine, no Cliff 2). [See `docs/CLIFFS.md` for the full diagnostic.](CLIFFS.md) - **Dual 3090 (48 GB combined):** TP=2 splits activation memory across cards. Cliffs are not active failure modes. For visualization of how VRAM splits across single + dual configs, see [vram-budget-combined.svg](img/vram-budget-combined.svg) (or per-page: [single](img/vram-budget-single.svg) · [dual](img/vram-budget-dual.svg)). --- ## Disk - **Per model**: ~20 GB for weights + Docker layers + scratch. - **Per engine**: vLLM Docker image is ~9 GB. llama.cpp binary is ~50 MB. - **For dual-card vLLM**: nothing extra — the marlin-pad patch is two small files vendored in-repo, mounted into the stock image (no vLLM source clone). If you'll run multiple models, plan ~20 GB each. --- ## Things this stack doesn't support (hardware-wise) - **macOS / Windows native** — Linux only (vLLM constraint). WSL2 works but with caveats (see below). - **AMD GPUs** — vLLM has experimental ROCm support but we haven't validated. llama.cpp works on AMD via HIPBLAS. - **Apple Silicon** — llama.cpp via Metal works for the model, but our recipes are Linux-x86-64 path-specific. - **Intel GPUs** — llama.cpp via SYCL/oneAPI has support; not tested by us. If you're on non-NVIDIA hardware, [`/docs/engines/LLAMA_CPP.md`](engines/LLAMA_CPP.md) is your starting point. --- ## Note for SM86 long-context single-stream TG Independent cross-rig measurement ([sztlink/turboquant-cuda-bench, IQ4_NL repro 2026-04-27](https://github.com/sztlink/turboquant-cuda-bench/blob/main/bench/iq4nl-repro/results.md)) shows that on **SM86 (Ampere consumer, RTX 3090)** with `q8_0/turbo4` KV, single-stream token-generation rate degrades **~−71% from 0K to 131K context** vs ~−54% on **SM89 (Ada Lovelace, RTX 4090)** for the same model + KV config. The conclusion in their writeup: "SM86 has a weaker warp dispatch path for the turbo4 dequant kernel. The degradation is architectural, not model-specific." Source originally surfaced by [@lkaupp](https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/discussions/20969#discussioncomment-16733925) on a 3090. Practical implication for our stack: even when you can fit the prompt + KV in VRAM (so Cliff 1 and Cliff 2 don't fire), **single-stream TG above ~32K-65K on SM86 pays a structural per-token rate tax** that you can't fix by changing KV format choice. The recommendation in [`docs/SINGLE_CARD.md`](SINGLE_CARD.md) to switch to llama.cpp at >60K context is partly about VRAM cliffs and partly about this dispatch-rate cliff — llama.cpp's CUDA kernels avoid the same warp-dispatch-overhead profile under Triton/AutoRound INT4. If you're on **SM89+ hardware (RTX 4090 / 5090, A6000 Ada / Blackwell)**, the per-token rate at depth holds up materially better — the −54% drop at 131K on SM89 is still real but ~17 percentage points less severe than SM86. If long-context single-stream throughput is your primary workload, that's the hardware class to target. --- ## Note for older host platforms (PCIe Gen 3 + older CPUs) If your rig is on **PCIe Gen 3** (rather than Gen 4) **and/or paired with a pre-Zen3 / pre-2018 CPU** (e.g. Xeon Gold 61xx Skylake, Xeon E5 v4 Broadwell), TP=2 paths take a 30-40% throughput hit vs the Gen 4 / Ryzen 5950X / EPYC rigs in `BENCHMARKS.md`. Two compounding causes: 1. **PCIe Gen 3 x16 ≈ 15.75 GB/s** per direction vs Gen 4 x16 ≈ 31.5 GB/s. TP=2 all-reduce on the residual stream every layer is GB/s-class traffic — halving interconnect bandwidth roughly halves the all-reduce wall time, and decode-TPS is sensitive to that. 2. **Older Xeon / Broadwell CPUs** have lower per-core clock and IPC than current Ryzen / EPYC parts. Affects prefill throughput, TTFT, and host-side coordination between the two GPUs. **Pre-Zen2 platforms (Zen 1 / Threadripper 1000-series, Skylake-X) are a measurable *additional* cut beyond the generic "older CPU" — and in this class CPU IPC can outrank cross-card PCIe bandwidth.** Worked datapoint, same vLLM SHA (`nightly-1acd67a7`), both `dual.yml`: [@mgabor3141's X399 + TR 1950X (Zen 1)](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/issues/178) on **PCIe Gen 3 ×16+×16** (full, symmetric) measures 63.48 / 80.36, which is **17-19% below** [@OVDEN13's Ryzen 5700X (Zen 3)](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/issues/142) on **Gen 4 ×4+×8** (half the cross-card bandwidth) at 75.80 / 99.04. Better interconnect, slower CPU, lower TPS — so on this rig class, don't under-spec the CPU to splurge on PCIe lanes. **Symptom**: GPU utilization asymmetry during decode (e.g. `GPU 0: 28% util / 174W` vs `GPU 1: 85% util / 254W`) — communication-starved TP=2, where one card finishes its half-step and stalls waiting on all-reduce. **Mitigation on Gen 3 rigs**: - **Enable persistence mode** (`sudo nvidia-smi -pm 1`) — common to find this off on KVM/VM hosts; with it disabled the driver tears down between idle periods and adds per-request init latency. - **Prefer single-card paths**: with interconnect being the bottleneck, `vllm/minimal` (single-card fp8 KV, no MTP) or `vllm/long-text-no-mtp` (single-card TQ3 KV) often beats `dual.yml` on these rigs. You give up max context ceiling but get back the decode TPS the interconnect was eating. - **More host RAM** if VM-passthrough: 32+ GB recommended; vLLM uses host RAM for tokenizer staging, paged weight loading, and IPC buffers — VMs with 15 GB total tend to thrash. See [issue #137](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/issues/137) for a worked example: Xeon Gold 6138 + PCIe Gen 3 x16 + 2× 3090 (KVM passthrough) → 32 / 41 TPS on `dual.yml`, vs Ryzen 5950X + Gen 4 + same KV config → 89 / 117 TPS ([@lolren disc #18](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/discussions/18#discussioncomment-16820303)). --- ## Note for AMD platforms (Threadripper / Ryzen / EPYC) — IOMMU faults under sustained TP=2 On AMD hosts with the IOMMU in the default **AMD-Vi "Translated"** mode, sustained TP=2 inference can drive **both GPUs into `Xid 154` fatal MMU faults** ("GPU recovery action: Node Reboot Required"). The crashes are intermittent and surface with *misleading* symptoms — a `tokenizers` Rust segfault (`free(): invalid next size`), a Triton CUDA "unspecified launch failure" mid `verify-stress`, etc. — but the kernel log shows the real cause: ``` nvidia 0000:09:00.0: AMD-Vi: Event logged [IO_PAGE_FAULT domain=... ] NVRM: Xid (PCI:0000:09:00): 154, GPU recovery action: Node Reboot Required ``` Under sustained TP=2 DMA the per-device IOMMU page-table translation can't keep up and faults; the tokenizer / libc crashes are CPU-side collateral from the same instability. **Fix:** add **`iommu=pt`** (passthrough) to the kernel command line. Device DMA bypasses page-table translation while the IOMMU stays enabled (security boundaries + PCIe grouping preserved). After a clean reboot the full `report.sh --full` chain — including the 60K/90K Cliff-2 needles and continuous soak — passes with zero AMD-Vi events. No-op on Intel hosts. **Triage** — random crashes under sustained load on an AMD platform: ```bash dmesg | grep -E "AMD-Vi.*IO_PAGE_FAULT|Xid.*154" ``` Any hits → try `iommu=pt`. (IOMMU enabled but in passthrough is also the recommended mode for GPU-passthrough VMs — see [CONTAINER_RUNTIMES.md](CONTAINER_RUNTIMES.md).) Reported + diagnosed by [@mgabor3141](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/issues/178#issuecomment-4509363017) (X399 + Threadripper 1950X + 2× 3090, bare metal). --- ## Note for WSL2 / Windows users ### GPU memory budget on WSL2 WSL2's container CUDA context consumes **~1.31 GiB before vLLM's profiler runs** — the Windows display driver, CUDA runtime, and WDDM overhead reserve memory that's invisible to `nvidia-smi --query-gpu=memory.used` at idle but locked in once the container starts. This means the shipped `gpu_memory_utilization` defaults (0.92 for single, 0.95 for `long-text.yml`) crash before model load with `ValueError: gpu_memory_utilization too high`. Cross-rig validated by [@easel on 2× WSL2 5090 Laptop machines](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/issues/102#issuecomment-4414111137): | `gpu_memory_utilization` | 24 GB card | Result | |---|---|---| | 0.95 | 22.70 GiB requested | ✗ crash before model loads (120 MiB above ceiling) | | 0.944 | 22.55 GiB requested | ✓ boots cleanly, ~21 GB peak with model + KV pool | | 0.92 | 21.97 GiB requested | ✓ default, conservative — works with smaller `--max-model-len` | **Formula**: `safe_util = (vram_total_gib - 1.31) / vram_total_gib`. On 24 GB cards that's 0.945. The overhead is variable (idle reports as low as ~300 MiB) but the upper bound is consistent across rigs. **Recommendation**: drop `GPU_MEMORY_UTILIZATION=0.94` in your `.env` when running on WSL2. The shipped composes' defaults (0.92 / 0.95) are calibrated for headless Linux and can crash on WSL2 at the higher value. ### TDR — kernel-timeout watchdog WSL2 inherits Windows' GPU timeout policy via WDDM (Windows Display Driver Model). Long-running CUDA kernels can trip **TDR (Timeout Detection and Recovery)** — Windows force-resets the GPU when a kernel exceeds the TDR delay (default 2 seconds), invalidating every CUDA allocation in flight. The signature in vLLM logs is: ``` RuntimeError: CUDA driver error: device not ready (during torch.ops._C.marlin_gemm.default or similar long kernel) RuntimeError: !handles_.at(i) INTERNAL ASSERT FAILED at CUDACachingAllocator.cpp ``` This is **not OOM** — the engine is being externally reset by the Windows display driver mid-kernel. Cross-rig validated by [@RossNE99](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/issues/50) on a 2× 3090 WSL2 rig: 156K-token prompt triggers TDR reliably; smaller prompts pass. ### Fix — extend the TDR delay on the Windows host From an Administrator PowerShell on the Windows host (not inside WSL): ```powershell Set-ItemProperty -Path "HKLM:\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\GraphicsDrivers" ` -Name TdrDelay -Type DWord -Value 60 -Force Set-ItemProperty -Path "HKLM:\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\GraphicsDrivers" ` -Name TdrDdiDelay -Type DWord -Value 60 -Force ``` Then **reboot Windows** (registry change only takes effect on boot). After reboot, retry the long-prompt path. Three TDR options in increasing aggression: - **`TdrDelay=60`** (recommended): give kernels up to 60 seconds before TDR triggers - **`TdrLevel=0`** (more permissive): disable TDR entirely — appropriate for dedicated AI rigs where the GPU isn't your display adapter - **Dual-boot Linux** (no TDR at all): sidesteps the whole class ### Fix — disable PyTorch `expandable_segments` if boot crashes at weight repack A separate boot-time failure mode, distinct from TDR, surfaces with the same `device not ready` text: ``` File "/usr/local/lib/python3.12/dist-packages/vllm/_custom_ops.py", line 1279, in gptq_marlin_repack return torch.ops._C.gptq_marlin_repack(...) RuntimeError: CUDA driver error: device not ready ``` The engine logs `Loading weights took N seconds` cleanly, then dies ~1 second later inside `process_weights_after_loading` → `gptq_marlin_repack`. `CUDA_LAUNCH_BLOCKING=1` does not move the failure site, which rules out async-residual error from a prior kernel. Setting `PYTORCH_CUDA_ALLOC_CONF=expandable_segments:False` resolves the crash. We haven't isolated the specific failing call — the suspicion is the `cuMemMap` virtual-memory API used internally by PyTorch's `expandable_segments:True` allocator, since (a) disabling that path fixes the crash and (b) JusefPol's NVLink boot-crash report (PR #31) responded to the same workaround. We list this section under WSL2 because that's where this PR's diagnostic rig hit it, but the failure mode itself is not strictly WSL2-only. Known occurrences: - JusefPol — NVLink-wired dual-3090 setups (PR #31). NVLink rigs can hit this; set `PYTORCH_CUDA_ALLOC_CONF=expandable_segments:False` in `.env` (the dual composes default it on; the old `dual-nvlink*.yml` variants are retired — NVLink is auto-detected at boot via `NVLINK_MODE`). - club-3090 issue (this PR, 2026-05-06) — single-card RTX 3090 Ti on WSL2, driver 596.36, vLLM nightly `01d4d1ad` (the v7.72.2-uplift pin). #### Override All single-card and PCIe dual-card composes now expose `PYTORCH_CUDA_ALLOC_CONF` as a `${...}` override knob. Drop a `.env` next to the compose file (or export the var in your shell): ```sh # models/qwen3.6-27b/vllm/compose/.env PYTORCH_CUDA_ALLOC_CONF=expandable_segments:False ``` Then `docker compose up -d` as usual. No edits to tracked files needed. #### Possible secondary effect on weight-load time On the WSL2 rig where this was diagnosed, weight-load time on a fresh boot (caches cleared) was 32 sec with `expandable_segments:True` and 13 sec with `expandable_segments:False`. This is a single observation, not a controlled A/B (cache state, FS warmth and other factors weren't held constant), so treat it as suggestive rather than measured. If you're chasing boot-time latency on WSL2 and not crashing, the override is harmless to try. ### Fix — `VLLM_ENFORCE_EAGER=1` for Cliff 2 GDN spike on small-VRAM rigs A third runtime failure mode separate from TDR + `expandable_segments`: at ~50-65K active context tokens, the DeltaNet GDN forward kernel produces a large activation spike that OOMs on rigs with reduced VRAM headroom. Most often hits **WSL2 / laptop GPUs** where the WSL2 boot overhead (~1.31 GiB on RTX 5090 Laptop / driver 596.36) eats into the 24 GB budget the composes assume, but can fire on any single-card config — see [`docs/CLIFFS.md`](CLIFFS.md) for the full diagnostic. **Workaround**: pass `--enforce-eager` to vLLM, which disables CUDA graphs and frees the activation memory the cliff was contesting. Tradeoff: ~20-30% TPS reduction in exchange for stable long-context behavior. Since 2026-05-07 ([PR #99](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/pull/99) by @easel) all qwen3.6-27b vLLM composes expose `VLLM_ENFORCE_EAGER` as an env-var hook so you can enable the flag from gitignored `.env` instead of editing tracked files: ```sh # models/qwen3.6-27b/vllm/compose/.env VLLM_ENFORCE_EAGER=1 ``` Then `docker compose up -d` as usual. The bash entrypoint expands `${VLLM_ENFORCE_EAGER:+--enforce-eager}` only when the var is non-empty, so desktop users with no `.env` see zero behavior change. ### Combined WSL2 / laptop `.env` template Three overrides commonly land together on WSL2 / laptop rigs (5090 Laptop validated 2026-05-07 by @easel). Drop this into `models/qwen3.6-27b/vllm/compose/.env`: ```sh # WSL2 boot overhead caps safe gpu_memory_utilization at ~0.94 (vs 0.95 desktop default) GPU_MEMORY_UTILIZATION=0.94 # expandable_segments:True crashes weight repack on WSL2 driver 596.36 PYTORCH_CUDA_ALLOC_CONF=expandable_segments:False,max_split_size_mb:512 # Disable CUDA graphs — Cliff 2 GDN-spike workaround (~20-30% TPS cost, stable >50K ctx) VLLM_ENFORCE_EAGER=1 ``` All three are `${VAR}`-interpolated by docker-compose at boot, so adding/removing any of them needs only an `.env` edit + recreate. ### Additional WSL2 considerations - vLLM auto-detects WSL2 and disables `pin_memory` (`Using 'pin_memory=False' as WSL is detected. This may slow down the performance.` in boot log) — expected behavior, can't be overridden cleanly. - Host RAM: the 17 GB Q4 model checkpoint loads via paged read. If WSL2 host RAM is < 24 GB, vLLM will warn that auto-prefetch is disabled and fall back to slower load. Allocate at least 24 GB to WSL2 for clean model loading. --- ## Note for non-Docker / non-bare-metal runtimes Proxmox VE, microk8s, podman, manual k8s — see [CONTAINER_RUNTIMES.md](CONTAINER_RUNTIMES.md) for environmental footnotes when the runtime / host stack diverges from the bare-metal Ubuntu + Docker baseline that the verify-* scripts target. Includes: - The Proxmox VE 8.x / kernel 6.17.x asyncio crash class (parked, environmental, full elimination trail) - microk8s integration (open invitation to PR an example manifest) - podman compose env override pattern