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club-3090/docs/engines
noonghunna df91d641c4 push long-text/bounded-thinking back to 185K + 0.975; long-vision stays 140K + 0.95
After 383b5cc shipped 175K + 0.97 (text) and 140K + 0.95 (vision),
audit showed the cliffs the backoff was protecting against fire on
every config we ship — they're independent of max-model-len. So the
context capacity was wasted protection.

Push text-only ceilings up:
  long-text:        175K + 0.97  → 185K + 0.975
  bounded-thinking: 175K + 0.97  → 185K + 0.975

Vision stays at 140K + 0.95: tried 185K + 0.98, 185K + 0.975, 160K
+ 0.97; all reopened Cliff 2 (DeltaNet GDN forward buffer) at the
130K-char stress class. Vision tower's ~1 GiB persistent + the new
patches' persistent allocations (P38 K_full/V_full ~750 MiB at 185K
+ compile-safe sidecar ~138 MiB) leave too little headroom for the
GDN intermediate buffer at 30K+ token prefills on this variant.
P37 disabled on vision (was on for parity with long-text but P37's
MoE intermediate cache pool is no-op on dense Qwen3.6-27B and the
env gate doesn't free memory anyway).

Verification at the new ceilings:
  long-text 185K + 0.975:    verify-full 8/8 (MTP AL 2.66),
                              130K-char tool-prefill stress PASS
  long-vision 140K + 0.95:   verify-full 8/8 (MTP AL 3.27),
                              130K-char tool-prefill stress PASS
  bounded-thinking 185K + 0.975: not re-booted in this final state
                                  (config identical to long-text +
                                  one --structured-outputs flag,
                                  no memory delta expected)

Docs updated: SINGLE_CARD.md picker table + activation-budget +
per-variant blurbs; engines/VLLM.md TL;DR + KV cache table; engines/
LLAMA_CPP.md "when to use vLLM"; STRUCTURED_COT.md "When to pick
this over long-text"; models/qwen3.6-27b/README.md per-variant lines;
docs/CLIFFS.md "Update 2026-05-01 PM" with full bisection sweep and
final decision.

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.7 (1M context) <noreply@anthropic.com>
2026-05-01 11:15:01 +00:00
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Inference engines for Qwen3.6-27B — comparison + quick recipes

This repo's main path is vLLM because it has the deepest support for Qwen3-Next features (vision, MTP, TurboQuant, full OpenAI API parity). But the model also runs on llama.cpp and SGLang with different trade-offs. This page compares the three; per-engine pages have setup instructions.

🔁 Coming from the README's Quick start? It already shipped you the vLLM path. Skim this comparison to see what the alternatives look like, then pick a per-engine page if you want to try one.


At a glance

Engine Status on this stack Per-stream TPS (1× 3090) Max ctx (1× 3090) Vision Tool calls Spec-decode OpenAI API parity
vLLM Validated, production-grade (this repo) 51-55 narr / 67-70 code 48K default · 75K IDE-agent · 198K vision · 218K text-only MTP n=3 Full
llama.cpp Works mainline + Luce DFlash fork for spec-decode 35-60 (varies by quant + KV type) 262K (Q4_K_M + q4_0 KV) (via mmproj) ⚠️ Limited (no auto-tool-choice in server) DFlash N=5 in fork ⚠️ Partial
SGLang Blocked by same Marlin pad-sub-tile-n bug (vllm#40361 / sglang equivalent); EAGLE spec-decode separately blocked by GDN/DeltaNet rollback n/a (untested at this state) n/a ⚠️ EAGLE blocked on hybrid Full

Pros / cons matrix

vLLM

Pros:

  • Deepest Qwen3-Next feature support upstream
  • TurboQuant 3-bit KV cache (lets us reach 198K + vision or 218K text-only on a single 3090)
  • MTP speculative decoding works out of the box
  • Genesis patch ecosystem (Sandermage's tree fixes many compatibility edges)
  • Full OpenAI API parity (chat, vision, tools, streaming, reasoning, structured output)
  • Active development — bugs we hit get triaged within days

Cons:

  • Heavyweight — Docker image is ~9 GB
  • Longer cold-start (~2 min for compile + cudagraph capture)
  • Sensitive to upstream API drift across nightly versions (we pin to dev205 to avoid this)
  • Frontier features sometimes ship with bugs we have to patch around (the whole reason this repo exists)

When to pick: Production / serious local work / anything that needs the full feature set.


llama.cpp

Pros:

  • Lightweight — single binary, ~50 MB
  • Fastest cold-start (~30 sec)
  • Lowest VRAM overhead (no inference framework taxes)
  • GGUF support for many quant formats (Q4_K_M, Q5_K_S, IQ4_XS, etc.)
  • Works on AMD + Intel + Apple Silicon (vLLM is NVIDIA-only)
  • Active community, lots of distros / wrappers (Ollama, LM Studio, LocalAI, etc.)

Cons:

  • Qwen3-Next family support is a moving target — needs the right binary build
  • Server feature parity behind vLLM (no auto-tool-choice in upstream server; need wrapper)
  • DFlash spec-decode requires a fork (Luce's llama-cpp-dflash)
  • Concurrent serving is single-threaded by default (the server forks per request — sluggish under concurrent load)
  • No TurboQuant equivalent → max usable context is much lower (~64K with Q4_K_M on 24 GB)

When to pick: Quick experiments, embedded use, non-NVIDIA hardware, when you want simplicity over feature completeness.


SGLang

Pros:

  • Designed for high-throughput serving — RadixAttention prefix sharing, structured-output-aware scheduling
  • Often beats vLLM by 10-30% on multi-tenant throughput when both work
  • First-class OpenAI API
  • Good support for batched structured output (constraint decoding)

Cons:

  • Currently blocked on this stack by the same Marlin pad-sub-tile-n bug we hit on vLLM TP=2. Same kernel-line fix applies (would need a similar patch on SGLang's side or for them to pick up the upstream fix).
  • EAGLE spec-decode (their MTP equivalent) is separately blocked by the DeltaNet/GDN hybrid layer not supporting KV rollback — this is a Qwen3-Next architectural issue, not SGLang-specific.
  • Smaller community than vLLM; fewer eyes on Qwen3-Next bugs.

When to pick: Production multi-tenant serving on models that work cleanly on it (not yet Qwen3.6-27B-int4-AutoRound — track the unblock list below).

Watch list to unblock SGLang on this stack:

  • Marlin pad-sub-tile-n landing (we filed PR #40361 on vLLM; the same fix applies to SGLang's Marlin call site)
  • DeltaNet KV rollback support upstream (vllm#39931 / issue #40124 land would unblock EAGLE on Qwen3-Next family across engines)

How to choose

Your priority Pick Why
Full feature set, MTP spec-decode, OpenAI API parity vLLM + Lorbus AutoRound This repo's path. 51-70 TPS depending on workload, all features, prefill-safe at 48K default.
Maximum context (262K) on one 3090 llama.cpp + UD-Q3_K_XL or Q4_K_M + q4_0 KV Smaller quants leave 8-10 GB headroom for KV at 262K. ~35-45 TPS sustained.
Best concurrent throughput on dual 3090 vLLM TP=2 + Turbo (TQ3) 4 streams at full 262K, ~200 TPS aggregate. See companion repo.
Non-NVIDIA hardware (AMD / Intel / Apple) llama.cpp Only engine with cross-platform support.
Lightest setup, fastest cold start llama.cpp Single binary, ~30s cold start. Good for embedded use, quick experiments.
High-throughput multi-tenant serving SGLang (when unblocked — currently blocked on Qwen3.6) RadixAttention prefix sharing wins at scale. Watch list in SGLANG.md.

Quant choice (orthogonal to engine choice)

The model itself comes in several quant formats. Engine-quant compatibility:

Quant Disk size Engine fit Notes
AutoRound int4 (Lorbus) ~18-19 GB vLLM · llama.cpp · SGLang (when unblocked) This repo's choice. W4A16, group_size=128, BF16 mtp.fc head. Required for vLLM's MTP spec-decode.
GPTQ int4 ~16.5-17 GB vLLM · llama.cpp · SGLang Mature, broadly supported. Slightly smaller disk than AutoRound.
AWQ int4 ~16-17 GB vLLM · llama.cpp · SGLang Strong baseline, compatible with Marlin kernels.
GGUF Q4_K_M ~16.8 GB llama.cpp · vLLM ⚠️ experimental · SGLang The default GGUF mid-range quant. Strong quality, broad ecosystem (Ollama, LM Studio, etc).
GGUF UD-Q3_K_XL (Unsloth) ~14.5 GB llama.cpp Smaller than 4-bit options. Quality cost is small on Qwen3.6 (quantization-friendly), buys substantial KV cache room.
GGUF Q3_K_M ~13.6 GB llama.cpp More aggressive 3-bit; quality cost real but acceptable for many workloads.

AutoRound vs GPTQ vs AWQ (within vLLM)

All three are 4-bit weight-only quantization for vLLM. Differences:

Aspect AutoRound GPTQ AWQ
Method Signed gradient descent jointly optimizing rounding + scaling Layer-wise Hessian-based error minimization Activation-aware salience scaling, then RTN
Calibration set Small (~128-512 samples) Larger (~1024-2048) Small-medium
Quantization time Minutes to ~1-2 hours for 27B Slower for same model Fast
Accuracy at 4-bit Typically slightly best on hard reasoning (MMLU/GPQA/Math style) Strong baseline; 0.5-2% behind AutoRound on average Comparable to GPTQ; depends on tuning
Ultra-low bits (3, 2) Strongest at <4 bit Degrades faster below 4 bit Middle of the pack
Marlin kernel support (via the kernel-line fix in our vllm#40361) (mature)
Ecosystem Newer, growing fast (Intel-maintained) Most mature, broadest tool support Strong vLLM/SGLang support

Why we picked AutoRound for this repo: Lorbus's AutoRound quant ships mtp.fc.weight as BF16 (preserved at higher precision), which lets vLLM's Qwen3_5MTP loader actually load the head and run multi-token prediction at high acceptance rates (~80% per-position-1, AL ~3.5). GPTQ-quantized variants of the MTP head silently fail to load → 0% draft acceptance. So AutoRound isn't just "slightly better quality" here — it's the only path to working MTP spec-decode in vLLM today.

If MTP isn't a priority for your workload, GPTQ or AWQ are equally valid.


Per-engine pages

  • VLLM.md — current setup (what this repo ships). Brief recap + tuning levers.
  • LLAMA_CPP.md — quick GGUF recipe, vision via mmproj, Luce DFlash fork pointer for spec-decode, gotchas around server feature parity.
  • SGLANG.md — current blocked state, what would unblock, when to revisit. TBD recipe placeholder until either Marlin pad lands upstream or DeltaNet rollback lands.

See also