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club-3090/docs/engines
ae4846fd63 docs + charts: v7.66 + Cliff 1 mech B closed across all 4 TQ3 composes
Phase 3 of the v7.66 migration: documents the new state, regenerates
performance/VRAM charts, posts cross-rig data to Sander on discussion #19
+ issues #15/#16/#17.

What changed
------------

**docs/SINGLE_CARD.md**
- Updated TL;DR table: long-text 180K + 0.95, long-vision 145K + 0.95,
  bounded-thinking 180K + 0.95.
- Removed Cliff 1 mech B "limitation to know" — now closed.
- Added "What was Cliff 1 mech B (now closed) ✅" historical note.
- Updated activation budget rationale to reflect PN12+PN25 pool residence.

**docs/DUAL_CARD.md**
- Bench protocol substrate: Genesis v7.65 → v7.66 dev tip.

**docs/CLIFFS.md**
- "vLLM pin compatibility status" rewritten for v7.66 + Cliff 1 mech B
  closure.
- Replaced "v0.20 unblock" prose with "Cliff 1 mech B — what closed it"
  section explaining the two compounding fixes (PN25 v3 + PN30 dst-shaped).
- Updated Genesis patches table with PN30 + PN33 + Sander v7.66 PN25.
- Added "Local sidecars retained on master" table — 4 sidecars, why
  each one is still needed.
- Updated "Validation across all 4 TQ3 variants" to 2026-05-02 numbers
  (180K / 145K / 180K / 262K — all 6/7 probes pass).

**docs/UPSTREAM.md**
- Genesis issue tracker updated with v7.66 cross-rig findings:
  - #16 PN25: both v7.65 and v7.66 mechanisms fail on TP=1
  - #17 PN30: layout-correctness diagnosis + our corrected fix
  - #15 PN31: doesn't fit on 24 GB (lower mem-util sufficient)
  - PN33 partial (boot-time closes, runtime decode still fires)

**docs/engines/VLLM.md, README.md, model README**
- Genesis pin references bumped d89a089 → fc89395.

**models/qwen3.6-27b/CHANGELOG.md**
- New entry: "2026-05-02 — Genesis v7.66 + Cliff 1 mech B closed ⭐"
  with full validation matrix, sidecar inventory, and links to per-config
  result summaries.

**tools/charts/gen-perf.py + gen-vram.py**
- Substrate footnote: v7.65 dev (d89a089) → v7.66 dev (fc89395)
- Compose ctx labels: long-text 214K → 180K, long-vision 198K → 145K,
  bounded-thinking 214K → 180K, mem-util 0.985 → 0.95
- Regenerated all 14 chart files (performance + vram, single + dual + combined).

Cross-rig data posted to Sander
-------------------------------

- [discussion #19 reply](https://github.com/noonghunna/club-3090/discussions/19#discussioncomment-16785590) — comprehensive update covering all 4 patches (PN33 partial, PN25 still TP=1-broken, PN30 layout diagnosis + corrected fix, PN31 still 24 GB-incompatible)
- [genesis-vllm-patches#16 update](https://github.com/Sandermage/genesis-vllm-patches/issues/16#issuecomment-4362835267) — v7.66 mechanism still TP=1-broken
- [genesis-vllm-patches#17 update](https://github.com/Sandermage/genesis-vllm-patches/issues/17#issuecomment-4362836196) — PN30 layout-correctness diagnosis + corrected fix offered
- [genesis-vllm-patches#15 update](https://github.com/Sandermage/genesis-vllm-patches/issues/15#issuecomment-4362836881) — PN31 cross-rig confirmation

Co-Authored-By: Claude Opus 4.7 (1M context) <[email protected]>
Co-Authored-By: Codex CLI (ChatGPT) <[email protected]>
2026-05-02 03:49:19 +00:00
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Inference engines for Qwen3.6-27B — comparison + quick recipes

This repo's main path is vLLM because it has the deepest support for Qwen3-Next features (vision, MTP, TurboQuant, full OpenAI API parity). But the model also runs on llama.cpp and SGLang with different trade-offs. This page compares the three; per-engine pages have setup instructions.

🔁 Coming from the README's Quick start? It already shipped you the vLLM path. Skim this comparison to see what the alternatives look like, then pick a per-engine page if you want to try one.


At a glance

Engine Status on this stack Per-stream TPS (1× 3090) Max ctx (1× 3090) Vision Tool calls Spec-decode OpenAI API parity
vLLM ⭐ Validated, production-grade (this repo) 50-53 narr / 66-70 code 48K default · 75K IDE-agent · 198K vision · 214K text-only ✅ ✅ ✅ MTP n=3 ✅ Full
llama.cpp Works mainline + Luce DFlash fork for spec-decode 35-60 (varies by quant + KV type) 262K (Q4_K_M + q4_0 KV) ✅ (via mmproj) ⚠️ Limited (no auto-tool-choice in server) ✅ DFlash N=5 in fork ⚠️ Partial
SGLang Blocked by same Marlin pad-sub-tile-n bug (vllm#40361 / sglang equivalent); EAGLE spec-decode separately blocked by GDN/DeltaNet rollback n/a (untested at this state) n/a ✅ ✅ ⚠️ EAGLE blocked on hybrid ✅ Full

Pros / cons matrix

vLLM ⭐

Pros:

  • Deepest Qwen3-Next feature support upstream
  • TurboQuant 3-bit KV cache (lets us reach 198K + vision or 214K text-only on a single 3090; 262K dual-card)
  • MTP speculative decoding works out of the box
  • Genesis patch ecosystem (Sandermage's tree fixes many compatibility edges)
  • Full OpenAI API parity (chat, vision, tools, streaming, reasoning, structured output)
  • Active development — bugs we hit get triaged within days

Cons:

  • Heavyweight — Docker image is ~9 GB
  • Longer cold-start (~2 min for compile + cudagraph capture)
  • Sensitive to upstream API drift across nightly versions (we pin to a specific nightly SHA — 7a1eb8ac = 0.20.1rc1.dev16 since 2026-05-01 — to avoid this)
  • Frontier features sometimes ship with bugs we have to patch around (the whole reason this repo exists)

When to pick: Production / serious local work / anything that needs the full feature set.


llama.cpp

Pros:

  • Lightweight — single binary, ~50 MB
  • Fastest cold-start (~30 sec)
  • Lowest VRAM overhead (no inference framework taxes)
  • GGUF support for many quant formats (Q4_K_M, Q5_K_S, IQ4_XS, etc.)
  • Works on AMD + Intel + Apple Silicon (vLLM is NVIDIA-only)
  • Active community, lots of distros / wrappers (Ollama, LM Studio, LocalAI, etc.)

Cons:

  • Qwen3-Next family support is a moving target — needs the right binary build
  • Server feature parity behind vLLM (no auto-tool-choice in upstream server; need wrapper)
  • DFlash spec-decode requires a fork (Luce's llama-cpp-dflash)
  • Concurrent serving is single-threaded by default (the server forks per request — sluggish under concurrent load)
  • No TurboQuant equivalent → max usable context is much lower (~64K with Q4_K_M on 24 GB)

When to pick: Quick experiments, embedded use, non-NVIDIA hardware, when you want simplicity over feature completeness.


SGLang

Pros:

  • Designed for high-throughput serving — RadixAttention prefix sharing, structured-output-aware scheduling
  • Often beats vLLM by 10-30% on multi-tenant throughput when both work
  • First-class OpenAI API
  • Good support for batched structured output (constraint decoding)

Cons:

  • Currently blocked on this stack by the same Marlin pad-sub-tile-n bug we hit on vLLM TP=2. Same kernel-line fix applies (would need a similar patch on SGLang's side or for them to pick up the upstream fix).
  • EAGLE spec-decode (their MTP equivalent) is separately blocked by the DeltaNet/GDN hybrid layer not supporting KV rollback — this is a Qwen3-Next architectural issue, not SGLang-specific.
  • Smaller community than vLLM; fewer eyes on Qwen3-Next bugs.

When to pick: Production multi-tenant serving on models that work cleanly on it (not yet Qwen3.6-27B-int4-AutoRound — track the unblock list below).

Watch list to unblock SGLang on this stack:

  • Marlin pad-sub-tile-n landing (we filed PR #40361 on vLLM; the same fix applies to SGLang's Marlin call site)
  • DeltaNet KV rollback support upstream (vllm#39931 / issue #40124 land would unblock EAGLE on Qwen3-Next family across engines)

How to choose

Your priority Pick Why
Full feature set, MTP spec-decode, OpenAI API parity vLLM + Lorbus AutoRound This repo's path. 51-70 TPS depending on workload, all features, prefill-safe at 48K default.
Maximum context (262K) on one 3090 llama.cpp + UD-Q3_K_XL or Q4_K_M + q4_0 KV Smaller quants leave 8-10 GB headroom for KV at 262K. ~35-45 TPS sustained.
Best concurrent throughput on dual 3090 vLLM TP=2 + Turbo (TQ3) 4 streams at full 262K, ~200 TPS aggregate. See companion repo.
Non-NVIDIA hardware (AMD / Intel / Apple) llama.cpp Only engine with cross-platform support.
Lightest setup, fastest cold start llama.cpp Single binary, ~30s cold start. Good for embedded use, quick experiments.
High-throughput multi-tenant serving SGLang (when unblocked — currently blocked on Qwen3.6) RadixAttention prefix sharing wins at scale. Watch list in SGLANG.md.

Quant choice (orthogonal to engine choice)

The model itself comes in several quant formats. Engine-quant compatibility:

Quant Disk size Engine fit Notes
AutoRound int4 (Lorbus) ~18-19 GB vLLM ✅ · llama.cpp ❌ · SGLang (when unblocked) This repo's choice. W4A16, group_size=128, BF16 mtp.fc head. Required for vLLM's MTP spec-decode.
GPTQ int4 ~16.5-17 GB vLLM ✅ · llama.cpp ❌ · SGLang ✅ Mature, broadly supported. Slightly smaller disk than AutoRound.
AWQ int4 ~16-17 GB vLLM ✅ · llama.cpp ❌ · SGLang ✅ Strong baseline, compatible with Marlin kernels.
GGUF Q4_K_M ~16.8 GB llama.cpp ✅ · vLLM ⚠️ experimental · SGLang ❌ The default GGUF mid-range quant. Strong quality, broad ecosystem (Ollama, LM Studio, etc).
GGUF UD-Q3_K_XL (Unsloth) ~14.5 GB llama.cpp ✅ Smaller than 4-bit options. Quality cost is small on Qwen3.6 (quantization-friendly), buys substantial KV cache room.
GGUF Q3_K_M ~13.6 GB llama.cpp ✅ More aggressive 3-bit; quality cost real but acceptable for many workloads.

AutoRound vs GPTQ vs AWQ (within vLLM)

All three are 4-bit weight-only quantization for vLLM. Differences:

Aspect AutoRound GPTQ AWQ
Method Signed gradient descent jointly optimizing rounding + scaling Layer-wise Hessian-based error minimization Activation-aware salience scaling, then RTN
Calibration set Small (~128-512 samples) Larger (~1024-2048) Small-medium
Quantization time Minutes to ~1-2 hours for 27B Slower for same model Fast
Accuracy at 4-bit Typically slightly best on hard reasoning (MMLU/GPQA/Math style) Strong baseline; 0.5-2% behind AutoRound on average Comparable to GPTQ; depends on tuning
Ultra-low bits (3, 2) Strongest at <4 bit Degrades faster below 4 bit Middle of the pack
Marlin kernel support ✅ (via the kernel-line fix in our vllm#40361) ✅ (mature) ✅
Ecosystem Newer, growing fast (Intel-maintained) Most mature, broadest tool support Strong vLLM/SGLang support

Why we picked AutoRound for this repo: Lorbus's AutoRound quant ships mtp.fc.weight as BF16 (preserved at higher precision), which lets vLLM's Qwen3_5MTP loader actually load the head and run multi-token prediction at high acceptance rates (~80% per-position-1, AL ~3.5). GPTQ-quantized variants of the MTP head silently fail to load → 0% draft acceptance. So AutoRound isn't just "slightly better quality" here — it's the only path to working MTP spec-decode in vLLM today.

If MTP isn't a priority for your workload, GPTQ or AWQ are equally valid.


Per-engine pages

  • VLLM.md — current setup (what this repo ships). Brief recap + tuning levers.
  • LLAMA_CPP.md — quick GGUF recipe, vision via mmproj, Luce DFlash fork pointer for spec-decode, gotchas around server feature parity.
  • SGLANG.md — current blocked state, what would unblock, when to revisit. TBD recipe placeholder until either Marlin pad lands upstream or DeltaNet rollback lands.

See also